Most teachers must have taught something good in their lives. You can always learn something good from their speeches. But also be careful not to put your guard down.
Just google the person's name and add "Illuminati" at the end:
CINDY TRIMM showed links at the very top
Lynne Hammond didn't show any links.
http://crossencountersmin.com/uncategorized/spiritual-heroin-and-blasphemy-of-holy/
As I tried to focus my attention on the Lord and sing praises to His
name, I heard muffled laughter coming from different parts of the
church. At first, I dismissed it as a lapse in judgment by those who
were giggling, or maybe the immature carrying on of children in the
congregation. Those things happen. But as worship continued, the
laughter grew louder. It was no longer a simple lapse in judgment. It
was rude. It was distracting. It was irreverent.
By the time worship was over, I felt like I had been transported from a church into a chaotic comedy club.
The pastor stepped behind his pulpit and told the congregation there
would be no sermon this morning. As soon as the pastor said he wasn’t
going to preach, my uneasiness with the morning service grew
exponentially. Instead, he was going to turn his pulpit over to members
of the congregation who spent the better part of the weekend at a
conference at a church called “Anaheim Vineyard,” pastored by a man, now
deceased, named John Wimber.
One-by-one and couple-by-couple, elders and their wives and other
leaders in the church stepped up to the pulpit to share what they
experienced at the conference. I was shocked, sickened, and frightened
by what I heard. They testified of what they called extraordinary moves
of the Holy Spirit, but what they described sounded like a spirit of
another kind to me. They described uncontrollable laughter, the feeling
of physical drunkenness, people barking like dogs and quacking like
ducks. Yes, quacking like ducks. One man described being thrown up
against the wall by an unseen entity and being pinned to the wall. And
as people shared their “testimonies,” others in the congregation
laughed. But they weren’t laughing at what was being said. They were
just laughing, as if they weren’t really there–as if they were somewhere
else entirely.
There were others in the congregation like me and Mahria–people who sat
with their mouths agape, in a state of shock and unbelief. Part of the
congregation was euphoric. Part of the congregation was appalled. A
spirit had entered the church–a spirit of confusion, a spirit that
separated the self-anointed spiritual “haves” from the “have nots,” a
spirit of disunity. It was not the Holy Spirit.
A low pitched murmuring and mumbling began the moment I started reading
the passage. The more I read, the louder the noise became. Soon I could
hear women weeping, which soon turned to wailing. Several men stood up,
including the leading elder. There was fire in their eyes. They shouted
and pointed their fingers at me. The leading elder bore his teeth at me
as he rebuked me for reading Ezekiel 13. Moments later these same men,
along with the pastor, escorted me from the worship area and into an
adjacent classroom. I was admonished and rebuked for what I had done. I
was told that I mishandled and misinterpreted the Scriptures. Keep in
mind, I gave no interpretation. I simply read the text.
The following Sunday, the pastor publicly rebuked me from the pulpit. I
sat there and took it. I was embarrassed, hurt, and confused. Could I
trust anyone in the church, anymore?
It seemed like this was all the church was talking about: the Toronto
Airport Vineyard, the Anaheim Vineyard, the Kansas City Prophets, the
Brownsville Revival, the Pensacola Outpouring, the Mott Auditorium
meetings.
The response was short and sharp. “You have no right to question what
we’re doing or what’s happening because you haven’t experienced it
yourself!”
I sat, listened, and watched as my friends (especially the wife) broke
down in tears and trembling as she described how important this
“spiritual revival” was to her. I listened as she sincerely and
emotionally shared with me how good it made her feel to travel to
Anaheim and Pasadena so she could be “filled with the Holy Spirit.” She
described going once a week, then increasing to twice a week, then
increasing to multiple trips each week to these centers of spirituality.
Over time, I noticed changes in her (and others) personality. She would
go and “get filled” and return home on a spiritual high. Over the next
few days or so she would talk about reading the Bible, deep times of
prayer, an overall sense of closeness to the Lord, and happiness. Then
she would crash. Her mood would change. What seemed like spiritual
depression would set in. And she would begin to talk about needing to
get “refilled.” So off to Anaheim or Pasadena she would go to get her
next spiritual fix.
As I watched my friend’s (and others) spiritual condition erode, I
couldn’t help but see the similarities between her and the heroin
addicts I took off the streets. The alleged “filling of the Holy Spirit”
was like a dirty needle being driven into the vein of her arm. It made
her feel good for a moment, but the crash after the high left her
wanting more, needing more. What started as a search for a deeper
relationship with the Holy Spirit, turned into an unbiblical habit.
addicted to the heroin-like spirit of the age, stunted in their
spiritual growth, having no more love for and understanding of the Word
and its truth than they did some-fifteen years ago, still hopping from
one movement to “the next great thing,” always in search of that
increasingly elusive spiritual high.
as I had seen Benny Hinn and others do many times, people were “slain in
the spirit.” The counselor standing in front of a person would push
them on the forehead and then the person would fall into the catchers
arms, who would then help the person make their way to the floor. Once
on the floor, the people would writhe and convulse. Some would laugh
uncontrollably. Others growled like dogs and demons. Some quacked like
ducks. Others laid motionless, as if dead.
I will never forget the pretty, young girl who, while talking about a
homework assignment, periodically buckled over as if she were about to
vomit and then would speak in a very low, gutteral, demonic-sounding
voice.
Spiritual addicts were once content with periodic doses of Benny Hinn,
Marilyn Hickey, Paul and Jan Crouch, Ken and Gloria Copeland, Mike
Bickle, and Rodney Howard-Brown. But instead of getting well, instead of
entering into spiritual recovery, instead of breaking bad spiritual
habits, these spiritual addicts have moved on to stronger more harmful
spiritual drugs–people like Bill Johnson and Bethel Church, Todd
Bentley, International House of Prayer, Jesus Culture, the New Apostolic
Reformation (just 2,000 year old heretics and Gnostics dressed in nicer
clothes), and others.
what the Bible says about discerning every spirit and, instead, simply
swallow whatever the latest spiritual snake oil salesman is selling. I
do question the salvation of those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit by
attributing to the Holy Spirit that which should rightly be attributed
to Satan (i.e. the magical appearance of gold dust and gold teeth, fire tunnels, healing evangelism, treasure hunting, trips to heaven, swine anointing (I can’t make this stuff up), toking the Holy Ghost, and other outrageous, man-centered, Holy-Spirit degrading, demonic, blasphemous activities).
the Holy Spirit will bring them to their senses and extend to them the
most precious gifts–repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
After reading the above article, I think the author just didn't understand what Heidi was talking about. I agree with Heidi that it's true that many people who don't know God are like chickens running around without heads, although it's a little bit judgemental and people don't like to be called headless chickens. Heidi is very strong and she does have high expectations of people. God does too.
The Spirit thing is very hard to say. It's because Heidi had that type of experience that she became so close to the Lord. I'm not sure about other people though. But definitely the church leaders of those churches didn't teach well and many of them are no good.
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/false-teacher-heidi-baker-imparting-demons-at-bethel-church/
Apparently, you have never been baptised in the Holy Spirit or speak in
tongues. I’ll pray for you. David Hogan has been to 5 continents and has
been out in hundreds of areas where they have never heard the gospel.
He was once an unbeliever like you, not filled with the Holy Ghost. He
was baptised in the Spirit and has been out on mission fileds for almost
45 years now and has seen every miracle….and has raised 32 from the
dead, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
He says that OFTEN, you cannot
tell if a person is manifesting demons, or it is the Holy Spirit. It’s
true! Yes, the spirit brings peace, joy, truth, etc…but when a person is
rolling around laughing, it may look like a demon, but it IS the Holy
Spirit. Been in several places where that happens. and a few times, I
knew the person that was experiencing that…even in the bible, it says
that some people fell in a trance..under the power of GOD! Not Satan.
I am sure if you saw a person in a trance, you would deduce it was
Satan…you have much to learn. Praying for a spirit of revelation to come
to you! Oh, and Gold dust? Have had it on me over 100 times now…most of
the time when I am praising God! He’s good and reveals His glory. (not
the same as sharing His glory, which HE does not)
I’m definitely not an “unbeliever” as you’ve incorrectly tagged me! As
a former Pentecostal Bible college graduate, going out into full time
ministry, we could not get our pastoral license until we were baptized
with the Holy Ghost, evidenced by the speaking in tongues.
If David Hogan cannot discern between a demon or the Holy Spirit, he has
some mighty serious issues. They are as different as night and
day…when it’s the real Holy Spirit and not the spirit of Kundalini,
hijacked from Hinduism.
David Hogan has the spirit of discernment and can discern between
spirits. He said sometimes a demon can manifest where it can look like
it could be the spirit of God until he encounters the person under the
influence.
Peter, Paul and others fell into trances (acts 10, 11,
22) and I am sure it may not have looked like the spirit of God on
them…but I it appears you would know. Just like when Jesus preached “you
must eat of my flesh and drink of my blood” you would have known He was
the Son of God, because Jesus saying that, obviously it sounds exactly
what God would say. Duped? Young? I am in my 50’s and led many to
the Lord, often with words of knowledge and one laying on of hands. Sad
that you don’t know who David Hogan is.
There comes a time when genuine born again God-fearing children of God
MUST stand up for God and His Word alone, and not for what people may
rightly or wrongly perceive to be “moves of God”. That doesn’t cut it
for Christ, and it doesn’t cut it for me. As I’ve said before, Mt. 7:
20-23 strongly applies here.
Brett, my husband loves hearing David Hogan minister. It’s amazing what God’s doing through him for people who are otherwise in reached by the gospel!
I have been in the presence of Christ, All GLORY GOES TO JESUS ALONE! I
have seen people possessed by demons, and I have seen people baptized by
the Holy Spirit. They spoke in tongues, healed, and other thing in the
presence of God.
But what I just witnessed, is a demon who entered that boy. When you are
touched by the Holy Spirit, it is a wondrous presence, one where you
are communicating with God.
When you are touched by Satan, you writhe and scream on the ground as if the heat of hell is touching you.
I find it very hard to look at Kenneth Copeland. His eyes are
frightening…it is almost like looking into the eyes of a devil and when
he begins opening his mouth and making strange sounds he for sure is a
devil incarnate. That people actually consider him a man of God is
incomprehensible.
I believe this has it backward. I was at the Brownsville revival many
times for years, and had never seen anything like it. It took some time,
but I realized God was way bigger and not in a box like I thought.
These things don’t go against God’s Word, and I am a very strong
believer. The pastor from the revival was in this video. I had been
prayed for many times, but had not been slain in the spirit, until I was
standing with people all around layed out. I hear the pastor praying
for people behind me and kind of got scared. He came to me, and without
me saying anything, he said don’t be afraid. He never touched me, and I
fell out while he caught my hands and gently let me down. What an
amazing time with God I had. The shaking, laughing, etc, are very real,
it’s just not common. Laughter is healing, and sometimes it’s a way God
uses to heal.
People come to these meetings with all kinds of baggage, experiences,
and demonic spirits. Some people do fake it, maybe because they just
don’t understand, or whatever reasons. There were so many different
manifestations I was a part of, but I knew God was there without a
doubt. Yes, Satan was there in many ways too, but he is in probably
every church. He can act very reserved as well. It can be hard not to
judge these kinds of things as being satanic, but just remember that
Satan always tries to mimic God. That’s why we have to test the spirits.
That young man already had a demonic spirit, but when Holy Spirit
touched him, the evil spirit went crazy in him. Bill knew this, so he
had the guys get him and move him to a place where they could help get
it out and get him free. We have to be careful not to judge what we
don’t understand.
Nowhere in Scripture is there any evidence of Holy laughter, shaking,
etc. These are manifestations of the Kundalini spirit of Hinduism. I
know; it made its way into my home church one time.
We have to be careful to judge all things against the Word of God; it
alone is the final and absolute authority. If it’s not in there, it
ain’t of God.
The problem in your thinking is that it seems you don’t know that the
truth the Holy Spirit guides us in never ever contradicts the scriptures
we have in the Bible. Not only is there no precedence for this
so-called ‘move of the Spirit’ found in the Bible, it is mass confusion.
1stCor.14:33 And our God is not a God of confusion. 1stCor.14:33
I am in no church and God has called us out of Babylon Religion and that includes all religious organizations. I have been slain in the spirit in the past and the Lord spoke to my
spirit that he was healing my heart. God has healed me of PtSD, PMDD,
Severe Depression and much more. We can’t put God in a box and it is all
biblical. You have mixed things on this video to make her look bad. You
have been used by the accurser of the brothren. Even if the
organization turns out to be bad…this womans life is a testimony of of
love. She has grown in Christs image and she has been a been a vessel of
God’s love and healing to many. We will all have to come out of systems
and organizations in this hour and I’m sure God will set that up and
she will follow Jesus. Make sure that on your knees you seek God for He
direction. You may need to repent for being used by the accuser of the
brothern.
After reading the above comments, I thought the people who accused Heidi must have some issues. But after I watched the video, I think they might be right in the kundalini spirit thing.
Good teachers:
Russia Will Nuke and Destroy America God Showed Dumitru Duduman in1984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paDXMLeEKWI
Yoga and the Occult: Ex Witch Tells All
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoxs8ixsmrk
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